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Critique My Koi Sculptures sculpting three koi that will be used for a bronze sculpture

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Posted 01 January 2008 - 06:15 PM

Hello everyone,

I am new to this forum,

Since this section is all about critiquing koi...

Please help me out... http://www.handsofcaesar.com/bronze-koi-ni...culpture-1.html ... shows the work-in-progress for this koi project. Images are uploaded periodically.

The goal is to sculpt the koi as realistic as possible, with much detail.

Everyone is encouraged to give his or her opinion.

For instance, the concept has already been changed, thanks to a views suggestion. Moreover, another viewer sent me a lead to where I was able to in prove on the fins.

Sincerely,

Caesar Yanez
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Posted 01 January 2008 - 06:30 PM

Hello and welcome Caesar. Your work looks wonderful. Thank you for sharing your progress. We all love koi here. How long witt youyr finished product be? Will you incorporate a stand?

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Posted 01 January 2008 - 06:34 PM

your pec fins should be lslightly larger and your Anal fins should definitely be smaller...also the anal fins rarely "flare out" like the pic you are copying from..
there is a man who posts photos here and his name is majong or something like it...someone will post his name if that isn't it...go to his website for detailed pics of koi..his photos are sharper than anyone's

your pec fins should be lslightly larger and your Anal fins should definitely be smaller...also the anal fins rarely "flare out" like the pic you are copying from..
there is a man who posts photos here and his name is majong or something like it...someone will post his name if that isn't it...go to his website for detailed pics of koi..his photos are sharper than anyone's

and you are going to add 2 sets of barbels later, yes?

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Posted 01 January 2008 - 06:37 PM

View PostLouAnn, on Jan 1 2008, 05:30 PM, said:

Hello and welcome Caesar. Your work looks wonderful. Thank you for sharing your progress. We all love koi here. How long witt youyr finished product be? Will you incorporate a stand?


Hi,

Attached is a rough sketch for the composition... (The one that show the frog is the old sketch) sorry I goofed and submitted to identical images and I do not know how to delete one of them.

It has changed twice already; perhaps it will change again...

the size of the total sculpture is still up in the air ;) ... anyhow the largest koi is 26 inches and the smallest is 12"

Anyhow, all the information is posted on the URL... http://www.handsofcaesar.com/bronze-koi-ni...culpture-1.html

Thanks for the warm welcome,

Caesar

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Posted 01 January 2008 - 06:53 PM

View PostLuke, on Jan 1 2008, 05:34 PM, said:

your pec fins should be lslightly larger and your Anal fins should definitely be smaller...also the anal fins rarely "flare out" like the pic you are copying from..
there is a man who posts photos here and his name is majong or something like it...someone will post his name if that isn't it...go to his website for detailed pics of koi..his photos are sharper than anyone's

your pec fins should be lslightly larger and your Anal fins should definitely be smaller...also the anal fins rarely "flare out" like the pic you are copying from..
there is a man who posts photos here and his name is majong or something like it...someone will post his name if that isn't it...go to his website for detailed pics of koi..his photos are sharper than anyone's

and you are going to add 2 sets of barbels later, yes?



Hi,

I will wait for someone to direct me to his images...

As for the pec fins, I had them larger and slightly shorten them. Nevertheless, if I receive an overall concusses on the pecs, will definitely make them larger.

The anal fins I will make smaller. I am also wondering if my images are showing the fins correctly. For the anal fins, if I change the angle, they will appear smaller. I wish you folks could see these sculptures in person.

As for the barbels, yes! I will add them the last minute before I make the mold. For now I gave up on them, they just keep on breaking off.

Thanks I will work on the fins,

Caesar

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Posted 01 January 2008 - 07:28 PM

View Postkoi artist, on Jan 1 2008, 05:53 PM, said:

Hi,

I will wait for someone to direct me to his images...

As for the pec fins, I had them larger and slightly shorten them. Nevertheless, if I receive an overall concusses on the pecs, will definitely make them larger.

The anal fins (I think we mean pelvic fins) I will make smaller. I am also wondering if my images are showing the fins correctly. For the pelvic fins, if I change the angle, they will appear smaller. I wish you folks could see these sculptures in person.

As for the barbels, yes! I will add them the last minute before I make the mold. For now I gave up on them, they just keep on breaking off.

koi anatomy http://www.koi.net.au/anatomy.php

Thanks I will work on the fins,

Caesar


I just went back to view the fins before I made the current change...

You are correct; the anal fins seem too large now...

The attached images will make it obvious :o ...

I have also added an image that shows the proposed new scale for the anal fins. (They are the same fins; I just digitally scaled them down and layered them over the existing fins)

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Posted 01 January 2008 - 07:35 PM

:o That is going to be so cool.
The member Luke was talking about is Majong you can find his post by looking at his post in his profile you can find them by going to members on the top of this page.
Welcome to Koishack, we all look forward to seeing more of your work.
I agree the anal fins are to big.

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Posted 01 January 2008 - 08:35 PM

Caesar WELCOME to Koishack. Your work is absolutely stunning. Just beautiful.

Here is the link to Majong's website. He is a professional photographer, does fantastic work. I'm sure you will get help from his photos.

http://www.koifoto.nl/

Looking forward to seeing more of your beautiful work. :yes:

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Posted 01 January 2008 - 08:49 PM

beautiful!! Will look forward to seeing more of the progress on this creation

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Posted 01 January 2008 - 11:28 PM

View Postcurious, on Jan 1 2008, 06:35 PM, said:

:o That is going to be so cool.
The member Luke was talking about is Majong you can find his post by looking at his post in his profile you can find them by going to members on the top of this page.
Welcome to Koishack, we all look forward to seeing more of your work.
I agree the anal fins are to big.



thank you for the feedback... I will make the changes :)

View PostPaNancy, on Jan 1 2008, 07:35 PM, said:

Caesar WELCOME to Koishack. Your work is absolutely stunning. Just beautiful.

Here is the link to Majong's website. He is a professional photographer, does fantastic work. I'm sure you will get help from his photos.

http://www.koifoto.nl/

Looking forward to seeing more of your beautiful work. :yes:



thank you for the kind words and the lead to the photos

View Postfrloplady, on Jan 1 2008, 07:49 PM, said:

beautiful!! Will look forward to seeing more of the progress on this creation



thank you, I will submit new images as project advances,

Caesar

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 02:42 PM

View PostLuke, on Jan 1 2008, 05:34 PM, said:

your pec fins should be lslightly larger and your Anal fins should definitely be smaller...also the anal fins rarely "flare out" like the pic you are copying from..
there is a man who posts photos here and his name is majong or something like it...someone will post his name if that isn't it...go to his website for detailed pics of koi..his photos are sharper than anyone's

your pec fins should be lslightly larger and your Anal fins should definitely be smaller...also the anal fins rarely "flare out" like the pic you are copying from..
there is a man who posts photos here and his name is majong or something like it...someone will post his name if that isn't it...go to his website for detailed pics of koi..his photos are sharper than anyone's

and you are going to add 2 sets of barbels later, yes?



Luke,

As I was re-sculpting the fins, I noticed that the anal was not near the fins I was working on... did you mean to say (Pelvic fins) ... I had to look up the anatomy of the koi to make sure I was talking about the correct fins... http://www.koi.net.au/anatomy.php

Nevertheless, the pelvic fins have been scaled down. I will post the new images within the hour.

Caesar

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 03:28 PM

View Postkoi artist, on Jan 3 2008, 01:42 PM, said:

Luke,

As I was re-sculpting the fins, I noticed that the anal was not near the fins I was working on... did you mean to say (Pelvic fins) ... I had to look up the anatomy of the koi to make sure I was talking about the correct fins... http://www.koi.net.au/anatomy.php

Nevertheless, the pelvic fins have been scaled down. I will post the new images within the hour.

Caesar



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Overall I think this koi is done, all that is needed is one last pass to catch any goofs...

Thank you for your feedback and keen eyes...

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 04:48 PM

yep...pelvic


Now...
the pelvic and pectoral fins do not adhere to the body in a linear fashion...the rays all go in at one spot not like the dorsal fin or tail

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 05:03 PM

here are some from my pond showing fin attachment

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 05:31 PM

View PostLuke, on Jan 3 2008, 03:48 PM, said:

yep...pelvic


Now...
the pelvic and pectoral fins do not adhere to the body in a linear fashion...the rays all go in at one spot not like the dorsal fin or tail

Luke,

thanks for paying attention to detail...

the image attached is a rough digital mock up. Before I rework the clay I want to make sure I am on the right track...

I will revist both pectoral and pelvic fins for the next correction...

Caesar

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 05:34 PM

View PostLuke, on Jan 3 2008, 04:03 PM, said:

here are some from my pond showing fin attachment


Luke,

I guess we were uploading at the same time...

I will wait for your reply,

thanks for the images,

Caesar

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 06:17 PM

koi artist,
you could go buy a carp at the chinese market

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 06:26 PM

I really admire the attention to detail you are putting in this sculpture. Pretty amazing!! I like Lukes idea of getting a food carp from the fish market. You can get a much better about anatomy looking at the real thing.

I'd like to move this thread to the main koi chat area. It might get seen by more people. Do you mind?

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 07:06 PM

View PostLuke, on Jan 3 2008, 05:17 PM, said:

koi artist,
you could go buy a carp at the chinese market

what a great idea!

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 07:11 PM

View PostCarolinaGirl, on Jan 3 2008, 05:26 PM, said:

I really admire the attention to detail you are putting in this sculpture. Pretty amazing!! I like Lukes idea of getting a food carp from the fish market. You can get a much better about anatomy looking at the real thing.

I'd like to move this thread to the main koi chat area. It might get seen by more people. Do you mind?


Carolinagirl,

I would appreciate it if you can help me give this more exposure. This is my first week blogging; therefore, I am still on my learning curve.

Initially I did not know where to post this thread; I did not what anyone upset with me for posting in the wrong category.

Thanks,

Caesar

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