[Eluned]

JR, on Jan 10 2007, 11:03 PM, said:

Dear Gail, the day I sound like Mr.Hot Air on these boards and deliver that kind of mindless catty drivel, please come and shoot me! ;) JR

I LOVE women, I can't take men who act like woman---

Hey!!! As a member of the double X club, I take offense at that comparison.

FWIW, cats are very intelligent creatures, hardly mindless.

:whistle:

[Auntiesue]

One thing to remember also is that shimi can come and go without any intervention from the collector. I've had it happen on my Goromo twice. I went to remove one shimi over a year ago and it was ALL GONE!! I was shocked to NOT see it. So just because a shimi has been seen on a fish and then it's gone doesn't necessarily mean it was removed by the collector.

[l113892]

I would have thought that the lemon juice would have been more controversial than the shimmi removal. Steve- I wish you would have have talked a little bit more about sedating a fish for that length of time. I know many hobbyists are uneasy about sedating a fish period, much less for a long period of time. I think the article says to rub the area with a q tip for 2-3 minutes. Koi USA is such an interesting magazine- there is an article that talks about Aremonas Alley, which I consider an "old" theory and then gromming of koi for a show which I would expect to be enlightening for many, many hobbyists. I also thought it was interesting- Steve's article was very high tech and put the koi at some risk but was a short article while the article on the koi show handler was a long article considering the topic. I would have trouble saying that much about handling koi in a show even though I think I have good technique.

[schildkoi]

l113892, on Jan 11 2007, 07:59 AM, said:

I would have thought that the lemon juice would have been more controversial than the shimmi removal. Steve- I wish you would have have talked a little bit more about sedating a fish for that length of time. I know many hobbyists are uneasy about sedating a fish period, much less for a long period of time. I think the article says to rub the area with a q tip for 2-3 minutes. Koi USA is such an interesting magazine- there is an article that talks about Aremonas Alley, which I consider an "old" theory and then gromming of koi for a show which I would expect to be enlightening for many, many hobbyists. I also thought it was interesting- Steve's article was very high tech and put the koi at some risk but was a short article while the article on the koi show handler was a long article considering the topic. I would have trouble saying that much about handling koi in a show even though I think I have good technique.

You know Mike, I would tend to agree aboput the possibility of controversy over the lemon juice vs shimi removal. Just a simple trick that leaves no visible sign other than the removal of secondary beni from skin (not scaled) areas. Because of the manner of the technique, it isn't good or even an option for "shaving" a pattern though.

I guess I take sedating a Koi for granted, but I do see your point and perhaps makes for an interesting future artoicle for someone to submit....hint, hint!

As far as "aeromonous alley"? You've been reading Bito! LOL AA is kind of old school for experienced hobbyists but still has some legitimacy for the beginners with ponds that may not be designed for the conditions that they are subjected to.

Steve

[l113892]

How about a point - counter point article- JR versus REC. Now, that would be fun! The article would demonstrate that even at the highest levels there is much debate. Part of the debate centers around the audience; I think that's why AA is so controversial. I cannot dismiss AA or whatever one wants to call it for a good portion of the hobbyist even though I don't think AA applies to me with my current setup. But I think so many disagreements on the approach, center around where the individuals involved are on the learning curve.

[schildkoi]

l113892, on Jan 11 2007, 10:25 AM, said:

How about a point - counter point article- JR versus REC. Now, that would be fun! The article would demonstrate that even at the highest levels there is much debate. Part of the debate centers around the audience; I think that's why AA is so controversial. I cannot dismiss AA or whatever one wants to call it for a good portion of the hobbyist even though I don't think AA applies to me with my current setup. But I think so many disagreements on the approach, center around where the individuals involved are on the learning curve.

Mike, I couldn't agree more! That and one's geographical location. JR and REC live would be a big hit and money maker as well! I get a cut of the ticket sales and I will give you a ciut of the concessions, ok? ;)

Steve

[Luke]

OH MIKE!

On Newt's there is a gentleman ( :lol: ) that is going to provide an article about how Aquascape ponds are ideal for raising show quality koi...

"LET'S GET READY TO RrrrrUMBLE!"
"And in the Red Corner, Steve "The Child Squire" Childers"

This post has been edited by Luke: 11 January 2007 - 11:45 AM

[koicop]

John, would you please be kind enough answer this (when you get back)?

KoiCluboftheAir, on Jan 9 2007, 09:26 PM, said:

As Childers wrote it and is the editor-in-chief I believe he just changed KOI USA policy by printing that piece.

Reference your statement above, here are some facts folks may not (but should be) aware of.

Look closely under the title of the article in KoiUSA magazine: It credits the pictures to Tom Graham, Steve Childers and Dale Gingerich.

In point of fact, this fish in the photos (the one from which the shimi was being removed) belonged to Tom and Cindy Graham -- and Cindy Graham was the acting Editor of KoiUSA at the time the procedure was performed!

So now, the previous editor(s) to whom you've attributed an official KoiUSA policy/position -- care to share their name(s) with us? Don

[Roddy Conrad]

I enjoyed Steve's article about shimi removal and other tricks for preparing a koi for show (private or public!) as very informative and useful. Good job! And, NO, I didn't know any of that stuff, that is why I thought the article is so useful.

[JR]

Dr Peach, be prepared! I may hug you the next time I see you-- JR

This post has been edited by JR: 13 January 2007 - 05:36 AM

[schildkoi]

Roddy Conrad, on Jan 12 2007, 08:02 PM, said:

I enjoyed Steve's article about shimi removal and other tricks for preparing a koi for show (private or public!) as very informative and useful. Good job! And, NO, I didn't know any of that stuff, that is why I thought the article is so useful.

Thanks to everyone who read and or enjoyed the article, especially Roddy!

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Dr Peach, be prepared! I may huge you the next time I see you-- JR

Hey, tell me when that is taking place! I want to sell tickets and get a picture!
Steve

This post has been edited by schildkoi: 12 January 2007 - 08:59 PM

[Ruth]

JR, on Jan 12 2007, 10:53 PM, said:

Dr Peach, be prepared! I may huge you the next time I see you-- JR

Yes but would you hug him :lol: :2funny:

[frloplady]

Roddy Conrad, on Jan 12 2007, 11:02 PM, said:

I enjoyed Steve's article about shimi removal and other tricks for preparing a koi for show (private or public!) as very informative and useful. Good job! And, NO, I didn't know any of that stuff, that is why I thought the article is so useful.

I agree Roddy... I thought that it always had to be a difficult procedure.

[schildkoi]

frloplady, on Jan 12 2007, 10:53 PM, said:

I agree Roddy... I thought that it always had to be a difficult procedure.

Although the article pictures showed a razor knife, the shimi pictured actually came off using my fingernail. This can always vary since some shimis are deeper than others.

Steve

[Auntiesue]

We haven't gotten our issue yet!!! :crybaby:

[Roddy Conrad]

Ours came yesterday, Lizzie had already read it cover to cover by the time I got home from work.

It is a good issue for sure. A definite keeper!

JR does not need to huge me, I am already big enough, need to lose about 50 pounds for sure!

[JR]

How about a huge hug then? Can I get my arms around that waist?? ;) JR

[Roddy Conrad]

That works swell!

We need to make the koi hobby less confrontational anytime anywhere we can.

Like Lizzie says, it is just fish. Or said another way "painted small whales swimming around in a pool in our backyards (and basements in some cases).

Different segments of the hobby can enjoy the hobby in their very different ways.

And we can all learn from each other.

With Steve's article in hand, a couple of kohaku that developed shimis at my elevated alkalinity (150 to 500 ppm) and hardness (100 to 250 ppm) are gonna look a lot better this summer when the local AKCA chapter meets at our home in "our little version of a private koi show".

[David Smothers]

The end is near....JR is huggin' Doc Peach!

Just got my copy. Steve, great job! Marked improvement in the quality of the issues in the past months. Look forward to more great things and less ads.

David

[koicop]

koicop, on Jan 11 2007, 04:44 PM, said:

John, would you please be kind enough answer this (when you get back)?
Reference your statement above, here are some facts folks may not (but should be) aware of.

Look closely under the title of the article in KoiUSA magazine: It credits the pictures to Tom Graham, Steve Childers and Dale Gingerich.

In point of fact, this fish in the photos (the one from which the shimi was being removed) belonged to Tom and Cindy Graham -- and Cindy Graham was the acting Editor of KoiUSA at the time the procedure was performed!

So now, the previous editor(s) to whom you've attributed an official KoiUSA policy/position -- care to share their name(s) with us? Don

I asked this question earlier. Here are KCOTA's responses (from another parish):

Todo addressed your question in this week's audio show where we discussed this issue. I'll address it again in the monthly newsletter wrap up of discussion topics.

When pressed to answer on the board (so everyone who'd seen the claim could see the answer), he responded thusly:

It is a fair request, but I won't burn the source. I've got the email, but it was private and I don't have permission to release that information. As it isn't a matter of national security that I can be compelled to release by being sent to jail I'll protect my source. However, from the statements I've made along with Todo there are only two individuals that it could possibly be. Now is the opportunity for koicop in my opinion to do the extra leg work to find the answer for whatever reason he is seeking it.

So there you go: He invoked Florida's Shield Law to keep from having to source an unsourced attribution! LOL